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Ophiuchus, the thirteenth Zodiac sign

Ophiuchus, the Serpent Wrestler is known by some as the thirteenth sign of the Zodiac. We are all familiar with the twelve signs of the Zodiac which were created about 2000 years ago. The description of a Zodiac sign is the sign that appears when the Sun sets of an evening. When the signs were first chosen, there were twelve signs and those are one that make up the twelve signs of the Zodiac today. The people who study the Zodiac signs are known as Astrologers. The difference between the Astronomers and Astrologers are that the former study space to see what is going on outside our planet where as Astrologers look at charts and predict our day to day future. Calling an astronomer an astrologer can get their backs up and annoy them.

The theory behind Astrology being that our destiny lies in the star sign that was in the sky at the time of the birth of astrology. Since they were drawn up over 2000 years ago, the Earth`s orbit around the Sun has changed as it does not orbit the same ecliptical path any more. This is due to the forces exherted on the Sun by other planets in the solar system. As a result of this, the Earth will travel out further from the Sun or come in nearer. Therefore when the Sun now sets, it sets in a different constellation than it did all those years ago. However, the astrology community has not changed with the times. Some astrologers do use the thirteen starsign Zodiac. There are a number of reasons why they haven`t updated :-

- Thirteen is an unlucky number
- Thirteen can not be split into smaller equal groups ( Earth, Fire, Water and Air )
- General Reluctance to change

If you`ve ever wondered why your love life or fortune is going as they had told you in the stars, you now know the reason. This does not mean that you should automatically stop believing in the Zodiac. This page is just to make you aware of why your Zodiac prediction doesn`t match. According to a number of reads, the ruling planet of Ophiuchus is the planetoid Chiron rather than a full planet such as Saturn. 1 Also in the same article, the website states on the first line that in 13 sign Astrology, constellations do not have ruling planets.

Below is a table detailing all twelve\thirteen signs of the Zodiac, their official range and the actual astronomical range when they can be seen in the place of the setting sun.



Star SignOfficial Date RangeNew Date Range
Aries, the RamMar 21 - Apr 20Apr 19 - May 13
Taurus, the BullApr 21 - May 21May 14 - Jun 19
Gemini, the TwinsMay 22 - Jun 22Jun 20 - Jul 20
Cancer, the CrabJun 23 - Jul 23Jul 21 - Aug 09
Leo, the LionJul 24 - Aug 23Aug 10 - Sep 15
Virgo, the VirginAug 24 - Sep 23Sep 16 - Oct 30
Libra, the ScalesSep 24 - Oct 23Oct 31 - Nov 22
Scorpius, the ScorpionOct 24 - Nov 22Nov 23 - Nov 29
Ophiuchus, the Serpent Wrestlern/aNov 30 - Dec 17
Sagittarius, the ArcherNov 23 - Dec 21Dec 18 - Jan 18
Capricornus, the SeagoatDec 22 - Jan 20Jan 19 - Feb 17
Aquarius, the Water BearerJan 21 - Feb 19Feb 16 - Mar 11
Pisces, the FishFeb 20 - Mar 20Mar 12 - Apr 18

Ophiuchian Traits

For those who follow astrology, a selected number of traits of a person born under the constellation are below. For more indepth knowledge of an Ophiuchian, visit Know Your Fate. :-

- Interpreter of dreams
- Seeker of wisdom and knowledge
- Will have a great family but have to leave the home at early age.
- Attract good luck
- Visionary
- A great architect or builder
-Authority looks upon him/her well

The Legend

Ophiuchus was according to Greek mythology a man called Asclepius. He was the son of Apollo and Coronis, the daughter of King Phlegyas of the Lapiths. He was given the power by the goddess Athena to ressurect the dead including the more famous Orion, the hunter. He was killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus who had been requested to do so by Hades. As Asclepius was resurrecting, Hades was worried that the Underworld was not getting as many dead as he should be. He was turned into a constellation to appease Apollo who had killed the three cyclop beings. The Cyclops, mystical one eyed beings built Zeus`s thunderbolts. The constellation as we see it is below :-

The Ophiuchus Constellation





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selina purvis
my birthday is 16th september this is probanly why i never think that the virgo attributes match with me this sign makes a lot more sense.
Wonder Woman
I am an Ophiuchus child born December 11, 1973.
Super Man
I am a Ophiuchus born on December 4 1991. I always thought I was a Sagittarius but I am Opiuchus.
Elf
i'm really small
Flyingdragonmonkey
Having crawled out of my biological birthing unit on 11-30-68 I was always under the assumption that I was a Sagitarian. Now I know that I am truly an Ophiuchian, a dramatic change from the alledged fire sign that was said to have held sway at the time of my arrival in this plane of existence. Does anyone know whom the ruling angel of Ophiuchus is? This is baffling to me, as are the various other astological attributes that our new sign seems to be lacking. I guess it is up to the thirteenth tribe to discover their heritage for themselves.
Aika Artemis
Well, being born on December 2nd, I assumed I was a Sagittarian... but now I see I was wrong. Although it may be hard to change the habit of responding as a Sagittarian to zodiac questions, it is much more... intriguing... to be born under a lost sign.
N/A
By this table I would be a Libra. Everything I have ever read about Scorpio describes me. I have neverhad traits even vaguely Librian. How do you explain that?
the 3 sgin dudet
this is soooooooooo weird
Jen
Okay i dont understand. I was born on October 31st and I was "supposed" to be a Scorpio. For a couple years ive been reading on scorpios and I noticed I had ALMOST all traits. Then recently I heard about the 13th sign and I would now be a Libra. So then I did some researching on Libras, and I have some, but very little traits of a Libra and I feel much more like a scorpio. But I kinda think I might be both. Is this possible? Anyone who might know, please tell me.
Mary
The Lost Book of Nostradamus was on the History channel. Many different sites say that Scorpio is really only a little shorter then seven days. Then on the 30th of November it goes to Ophisuchus. I think that if you read any of the zodiac signs in detail, everyone will have some of the traits in each sign, but one in which they have a majority. The majority one is usually your sun sign. We aren't governed by precedent though, so if you don't like a trait or two in your sign, don't live up to it. We still have free choice regardless of what the stars signify and that is what is so wonderful about being human. Another site said that Ophisuchus ends on November 1st, but looking at the constellations, that doesn't fit the rotation. It occurs between the stinger of the Scorpio and the arrow tip of Sagittarius.
Dawn
in what modality does ophiuchus fall? what house does it rule? why was this knowledge hidden? what is the ruling planet? does any planet that exceeds 6 degrees scorpio fall into ophiuchus????
shizma
According to this it looks like my sign is Ophiuchus (7.12.1981.). Not that i take this astrological signs mumbo-jumbo seriously but i am wondering why don't they update themselves with this precession thing which caused slight difference in signs through years. Seems to me that people who believe horoscopes are totally misled
mary madelaine
This is actually not a comment but a question. Is it true that ones Ophiuchus appeared in the sky, the antichrist will arrive? I'm just curious.
Lisa
How many stars does Ophichus have? I need this information for a school project and i can't find it anywhere! -Thanks, Lisa
Stuart Isaac
Is there a way to see the ophiuchus sign " snake wrestler"?
Crux Flux
I think this information is very accurate now it can be used to show how each person is recombient between two extrema, good and evil or right and wrong interms of fire water earth and wind. You can see what combination you are based upon a phenotypic judgement...i.e. tall and dark you are mostly earth, short and yellow more so wind, red and muscular fire but inderstanding that there are in betweens is the key to determining where we really come from. Ophiucus will be rebirthed and all must embrace the second coming with love instead of fear of the unknown so that we can commune together better on this path unto eternity.
Varun Sharma
I feel like a Cancerian 2 August 1979 welcome to ophiuchus! better for astrology specially tropical.
moonwatcher
I'm also an Ophiuchus, born on Dec. 1. I don't believe in astrology but I find it comforting that it might be that the reason I never fit my supposed Sagittarius traits is that I'm another sign altogether. I found this info on the web: "Ophiuchus is the Medic. This means that an Ophiuchian person is helpful, comforting and motherly. The negative side of Ophiuchus is the Serpent. This side is unfeeling and cold and has a detatchment from their feelings. The Ophiuchian (Medic and Serpent) is a giving individual who shares their knowledge and gives freely of themselves for the benefit of others. The Ophiuchan is a comforting person which is what draws people to them."
It all makes sense now!
Whenever i surfed around for Sagittarian profiles, i didnt feel i fit its mold completely. Enlightened by this new information, I now feel comfortable in knowing where I belong on the stellar charts as well as satisfited in no longer wanting to view my so called horoscope. Dec 9 1982
FreedomChick
Well I just found out yesterday that IÆm a Ophiuchus or Serpentarius all this time I thought I was a Sagittarius, but new somewhere along the lines it didnÆt match up I was more deep in character then a Sagittarius...I feel violated that I never found this out before...so basically my sign is a mystery?............does that make us mysterious?...........Well I would love to know about my personality traits(post them in if you can)
fr33domCh!ck
I'm December the 9th and just found out the other day what my true sign was. A weird situation happened to me 4 months ago I actually bought the crossing snakes pendent I felt drawn to it for some reason so I bought it as a charm or protection. Now when I saw my true sign which I found out yesterday. It was the same Serpent sigh coincident or fate?
Ophiuchian gal
I was born Decemeber 17 and 31 years later my newphew was born on the same day. We are very similiar in mannerisms, things we like, don't like etc (I can see this already in a 3¢yr old, and my sister sometimes makes the comment "are you sure he's not yours") Like most other Ophiuchians the Sagittarian sign has never really fitted me. e.g. in the past few weeks there has been a lot of focus about work and employement i.e. making big changes in careers and being away from home more..... I was made redundant, i'm a educated person and cannot find work.... "how wrong can it be" the horoscopes say i'll be away from home a lot.... i never been in my own house so much in my life!!
the_archerr
well can i know what are the traits of ophiuchus ..... so that i can see whether i fit or dont fit there ...... my birthday is 30th november
ruis70
Hi I'm another Opiuchan/ian/ite/ist....? I actually discovered this several years ago after stumbling across a book in a shop (before I had money to buy it, unfortunately). I did read the general description of traits outlined in the book, and remember thinking at the time how accurate it seemed, as opposed to the typical Sagittarian traits that I had read previously. I wish I could remember what the book said, or what it was called. If anyone knows of any resource describing the Opiuch..., I'm sure we'd all be grateful. Cheers
Manish Jain
Some of you are asking what are the traits of Ophiuchus. Guys here is the problem - I always thought I was scorpion and when I read about it I felt that it indeed reflects me. Now when I learned that I am infact Libran and I read about it - I feel somewhat the same that I have qualities of Libran. Do you see the problem? It's our human mind and vaguely written description of each sign that it makes sense to whoever reads it if they believe in it. I sometimes feel that nothing is written about us humans. We write our own destiny. If it all could be predicted why don't we humans have babies in a particular sign just so that we are compatible (I am sure someone somewhere surely did that) Why don't we just marry blindy based on signs without any courtship period? etc etc... I know its tempting to know about Ophiuchus but people it will be just another vaguely written text which we will start believing in. This is beacause we humans always want to belong to something...
WalkNWild
Here is some more provocative food for thought from www.patrickarundell.com/aboutastro/ophiuchus.htm : On January 21st 1995, news broke of the so-called thirteenth planet Ophiuchus. A press release by The Royal Astronomical Society claimed the whole basis of astrology was flawed, saying there were thirteen, not twelve zodiac signs. In fact, astrologers have known about Ophiuchus for thousands of centuries, as they have of the many other constellations that exist, such as Hercules and Pegasus. Ophiuchus viewed from the Earth is quite close to the Sun's apparent path, but no constellation is a sign of the zodiac. This because WESTERN [TROPICAL astrology, not Sidereal astrology, which is a constellational astology practiced in Asia] astrology is based upon the annual passage of the Sun in relation to the equator, and NOT on fixed constellations which have basically acted as symbols. With regard to the twelve zodiac signs, these start from the Sun's position on the first day of the Northern Spring called the first point of Aries. Although each of the twelve zodiac signs from Aries to Pisces are divided into 30 degree units and named after a nearby constellation, each's meaning is not dependent on that constellation. Therefore those who believe in astrology can continue to do so with total confidence. My comments: No matter what you call a time of year, or a constellation [different cultures name patterns in the sky differently] that correllates with that time of year, the planets are still in whatever pattern they have at your birth, and the constellations do shift their pattern in thousands of years. The current discrepancy over the last 2200 years, between Signs and constellations, is about 27 degrees. BUT, if you compare the Easterner's Sidereal interpretation of a constellation, with the Westerner's interpretation of the correllating time-of-year Sign, you will find similarities. Afterall, they are both interpreting the same piece of sky! As astrology, gets more researched, we will find less to disagree about, or be ignorant of. Happily on the Quest, best to you all!
bryan
Why did they take it out?
aksiri
im a ophicius and feel very pleased to know so since im finding myself very close to its discription. no coincedence here. im december 17th too. nice board here.
ian forrester
i would like to know a little bit more about me seen that i was born on the 15/12/1970 which is new to (o fu cus)
Finally the truth!
Ophiuchus the 13th sign. Thank the dear lord it has come to light.. Because being born December 5th I knew I wasnt a true Sagittarius nor a Scorpion. However in my charts when born I have many scorpion symbols however never felt i truly belonged to either sign.. Thank you for opening my eyes to the 13th sign where I belong and please tell me where I can find more information on this news. Open the worlds eyes please and spread the news that there is another sign and I know I fall under it for sure. For I fear no snakes, always helped others etc. Please send me authors names I would love to read their books. Sincerely, Happy as a pig in Poop!.. lol
Doll
Since I an an Ophiuchus, which other sign best works best with me? Am I still considered a fire sign, what am I now? Thank you..
WhoamInow?
What are the traits of this Serpant holder and who is it compatible with? I am now a Serpant Holder and my husband is now a Taurus! WTF?
Sabrina
Who in the HELL would want to have there kid born in that kind of a sign? Who would ever want to be a Serpent Wrestler? WHAT A STUPID SIGN!
Ping
Great. :P I "was" a Sagittarius and now Im this new sign? Sagittarius didnt even fit me. Scorpio did though. Id rather be that than a "Serpentbearer".
mandy
oh come one ppl horoscopes are full of crap anyways, they describe each horoscopes as the same just using different words
Ysalys
Our original, personal signs are dependent on WHEN WE WERE BORN; not changes that occur after. Our personal signs have not changed at all, but that we are now experiencing astrological changes is more proof that we are evolving, and NEW BIRTHS will be affected by this change. Our evolution, or change and growth, is not only a physical anomaly; it also extends through our consciousness and spirituality. We have some among us that can create matter from consciousness; we are seeing this increasingly now. We are seeing more children with abilities to see and do things on the paranormal level: Extra Sensory Perception. Our, as we call it, intuition seems to be more predominant now than in earlier times of mankind. We are beginning to accept that more people can see things, sense things, and do things in ways that can only be referred to as supernatural. Our awareness is expanding and we are seeing more changes within ourselves as a result. We are becoming more in tune with our bodies, our consciousness, and our spirituality. Yes, we ARE affected by the stars and universe around us as well as the gravitational tides of pull on us. We are also seeing what some call Indigo and Crystal children appearing, and this must have to do with the astrological change we are witnessing.
Heather
I am a Sagittarius, and I have always thought I had almost every trait of a Sagittarius. Now I hear that I am Ophiuchus, and I dont know much about it. I hear it means I am a "healer". Which makes a lot of sense, considering that I am majoring in Veterinary Medicine/Marine Biology so that I can help domestic/marine animals. If the sky has changed a lot since the common zodiac was created 2,000+ years ago, then why is it that Ophiuchus is just now coming to the forefront? How long has our Sun traveled through Ophiuchus? Surely it was before the millennium, right? I prefer accuracy. And since I was born in 1987, if the sun traveled through Ophiuchus before/during that time, I am considering myself an Ophiuchus now. Feel free to respond if you know what year it started!
Debbie
I believe that you have no new knowledge to say about horoscopes these days as everything has been written. Now you have to come up with "new" news and writings therefore a new zodiac sign has been created. I will continue to stick to the old thank you very much!
danie
13 is only what u make of it..it has never been unlucky in my life ..actually it is quiet a sacred number in the lives of many indivudals that i know and love
tiffany
okay just a thought. So as with any person who has a sun sign has a rising sign and a moon sign too, so a person born as an ophiuchus (which the name sounds totally dumb) what would their moon and rising signs be? Also I just want to point out when you read your full chart you will come to realize your personality is every sign in the zodiac what is your pluto, your neptune, your venus, and your mars what is your blue moon. Our characteristics are within all of these.
Tiamokiss
This is bull how could this be true !!! it's rediclous my whole entire life i was a saggitarian girl 10th of December was my Birthdate !!!now and all of a sudden you are telling me i am not ? Whats Ophiuchus i cant even pronounce the word !!?? Whats do i belong to earth , water, fire or air ? who are my best match signs my enemies ? Will they add a 13th month for us to fit !! I need to know more and more it's crazy ? i lost my mind i'm insane !!???
Phill
To all the people below who are freaking out...don't. Your star sign is the zodiac sign that was STRONGEST at your time of birth. The dates (i.e. March 21-April 20 or whatever) are just generalizations because USUALLY people born then are Aries. I recommend using a free program called Astro123 to caculate your natal chart and find out what star sign you REALLY are.
Kim
People shouldn't get up in arms about this or blame anyone for it. The constellation has always been there, astrologers ignored it. I think astrologers should take an astronomy class or two. But what's done is done. My biggest disappointment though is that I can't find a horoscope that has the sign so I feel left out.
Kristin A Ashcom
MOONWATCHER, Where did you find your information. I've searched everywhere online for traits and haven't found a thing. At least you found something! Where did you find yours? Please, provide a link for all of us. I for one will really apprecite it. I wonder if this sign is fire, earth, water, air? Does anybody know? Also, does anybody have a good book to recommend or other source for researching more about our new sun sign especially on the traits, personality, both positive and negative? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Can we post info, LIKE A QUESTION AND ANSWER FORUM here on this site for others to see? Thank you, my fellow Ophichiusians for your reply(s) in advance. Kristin A Ashcom
GavinSunday, 17th January 2016 01:21:40
Well, I'm also intrigued by this sign and wish to correct your reason why it is not (yet) accepted "Thirteen can not be split into smaller equal groups ( Earth, Fire, Water and Air )" First there's no reason not to incorporate it into a tropical system of thirteen equal parts , but .. Our calendar might have to be changed to a lunar calendar of thirteen moonths each of 28 days. ( which I suspect would suite the female population better than the masculine dominated solar system;)) Sooo hypothetically so far we have thirteen signs and thirteen months :) Now this gives us a year of 364 days (which is not exactly a rotation of the sun- but then neither does the current year length-- which could be realineged by a leap day or similar ) BUT it is divisible by the four seasons or four groups .. And it so happens that each season is thirteen weeks long .. And such a calendar would allow for a repeating calendar in which the week days alway fall on the same date .. This has been proposed by different people , see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanke-Henry_Permanent_Calendar for such an example. This could lead the way for a reform of re naming of days to suite a global culture rather than a European culture .. For instance imaging each day of the year having its own name! Let's fanticize for a moment if each moonth of 28 days was dedicated to one of thirteen cultures and the 28 days assigned to mythical beings of that culture. I quite like the assigning of the minor planet Chiron to Orpiuchus as a side, but do also root for a general reassigning of the planets to the current zodiac as new planets have been found and some signs share planets only because the technology of the past did not allow the observers to see what we can now see.
goldilocks
Well, this certainly puts a spanner in the works! If popular astrology used the actual constellations to mark out where a sign began and ended all of our natal charts would be radically different! All the neat little rules about the 360 degrees divided into 12 equal signs which correspond to the houses (bla bla bla) would become void! About nine in ten people would belong in a different sign to what they actually thought. Thats most of us!!! So let me pose a question... If astrologers claim that astrology is based on observation, how could have they possibly missed this? And if the current 12 equal sign system is correct then WHAT IS A SIGN? Why do we need the stars at all?? Ive been studying my natal chart for years and have grown comfortable in its themes. Now, according to what is actually in the sky, it is sooo different.Makes me wonder, if i tried this new identity on would it fit just as well? I was such a believer, but now I really have to ask, what do they really base astrology on???
Ivan
Im a college student and I have developed an interest in astrology. My birthday is dec 1st and like many others, I do not feel any connection with sagitarius nor its horoscope or its symbol. We have no horoscope, but maybe this looks like evidence that astrolgy is only in its infancy, a sign that astrology needs to evolve. Its up to us ophiuchians to find out about about this sign an how it describes ourselves. I found this site to be the most accurate, for me at least since I can relate to those traits alot. Maybe you can. Email me about it or anything else, -------@-----------com. Hope we can use it as some form of guide. http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html
pagan
so far i have only found that same site already posted but there was a astrology book that my mum had that told me i was a Ophiuchus about 5 years ago maybe longer i will try to find out what book it was its cool being a Ophiuchus makes alot of sense to me :D blessed be all pagan
Lily Donaldson
People think that there are only 12 star signs,is it fair to them? I only just found out on the internet! If you have to add Ophiuchus you could at least give him mors publicity and give charts of the change of dates! It may cost money but the people I have told have not been too happy Please take my message into consideration Scincerely Lily Donaldson
Amber La-Chiphouse
It's not fair I fitted the Aquarius description perfectly and now I am supposed to be Capricorn how can people just change them like that.I mean I have nothing against Capricorn but I was born an Aquarius.If you must change the star signs then you can atleast make Saggitarius longer and Ophichus shorter! Regards Amber La-Chiphouse
Marj
I just learned of this tonight by watching a documentary on Nostradamus. It is confounding to have just gained a fair knowledge of charts and Astrology, at least enough to look for certain things in my own chart, and then to have to consider that there is a thirteenth sign that pushes me to being a Pisces rather than an Aries. I kind of liked being an Aries. Sigh. Like others, I am wondering if there is some online charting tool like Astro.com that will allow me to roll this 13th sign into the equations? But, if it is Astronomy rather than Astrology... Recently there has been debate about whether or not Pluto is a planet. In spite of the Astronomer's claims it is not a planet, it is still evaluated as a personal planet in Astrology. Then there is Sedna... And Chiron.... Maybe it's best to remain being an Aries with Venus in Pices in the 12th house and let that be. Unless, of course, one of you folks has found a site where I can find myself anew?
Angaela
Its quite disturbing to learn that I am actually a Scorpio! I watched that same documentary and have now been exploring this idea. I would like to find a way to get a new natal chart including this 13th sign. Please help! If anyone knows how this is possible please share!!!!!
Kristin A Ashcom
Marj, which channel did you find this documentary on Nostradamus on? If you let us all know, we can search for it keep an eye out for it. Was it the Discovery, TLC, Nat Geo, History channel's or what??? Please, reply. I certainly don't want to miss this which will probably rerun again in the future. I have Direct TV and can search for subjects, titles, etc., and program well in advance a show I want to autoset. On behalf of my self and I think I speak for many others here on this site, thanks for any information you you can share with us. Krisi
pagan
http://astrolife.netfirms.com/scorpio&ophiuchus.htm is the best link i found so far apart from a book my mum use to have it was very detailed ill find out what it was called and try searching in utube might be something there
andrea tsikas-hampton
in the 70's i found and lent out a book writen by an archeologist ..name lost..the book was based on a system of 13.. numbers astrology uncovered from nineveh digs..i've searched everywhere.. any ideas? p;ease help
DogYear
For those who are having a hard time accepting a new order of things you know, consider this: One year you are told to eat eggs, or chocolate, or whatever, and the next year you are told it is bad for you, and the next you are again told to eat them per new research. "They" continually change what we are to know as true in our Universe, so why can we not see this perceived change as a chance to be one step closer to the truth? Isn't this supposed to be an Age of Enlightment? Are we not to become more involved in the truth in these days? This, to me, is awesome. Light has finally been shown on the spirit (AKASHA), instead of just the physical world. I'm most curious to know what exactly will occur on December 21, 2012, when our dear Sol aligns with the freakin galactic center. Should be interesting. I was born March 21st, supposedly the first day of Aries according to the old. I always felt Pisces, and always always always explained I was on the cusp therefore I am part Pisces, but now I am smack dab in the middle of Pisces. I can't explain it, but through my observations of people in my 37 years, this 13 order of the Zodiac now makes more sense. People fit their signs more, in my opinion. But, just remember, the future is fluid, as is the truth. Learn to move with the river, rather than try to control it.
allan
my son is ophiuchus and i think that star sign was activated in the zodiac as of 2000 when the grand cross was in the sky that year not before. if you were born before 2000 then your zodiac sign will be the ones they have always been and after 2000 they are the new arrangement that includes ophiuchus i reckon if the stars and planets all move then why cant human perception!!!!!!!!
pagan
sorry allan but it didn't just start in 2000 ophiuchus was known many years ago the only reason it wasn't used is because it changes everything and im 23 and have known since i was 15 that i am ophiuchus
Alucard
Pretty interesting legend but some of the stuff dosen't make any sense at all. For example why isn't there an official date range.
Courtney Coffey
How many star does ophiuchus have and what is the brightest star? I need this for a project
Was a Pisces
Oh I'm very upset and then glad. I "was" a Pisces and then all of a sudden an Aquarius! I feel really upset and disappointed and then kind of happy. It feels like rebirth ? But now I have to find out about the new me PEACE
coot
i think in Ptolemy's Al Magest he lists Ophiuchus as having 29 stars...
I'm a Gemini
I'm still a Gemini!! I don't care what you say I'm no Taurus! My personality doesn't add up!! And my brother is still a Leo! I'm a Gemini not a Taurus so WHAT!!!!!!!!!
Faith
Doesn't this prove (not that it needs much proving) that astrology is complete and utter bunk? @mary madelaine: Ophiuchus is in the sky every night, every day, and has been since the earth formed. It wouldn't make much sense for the Anti-Christ to appear when Ophiuchus came into the sky. You might be confusing it with 2012 nostradamas legends, which claim that when the sun is in Ophiuchus, the world will end. Which is also nonsense.
Now I'm a Sagitarius!!!
Wow... if I didn't have a project I never would've known about this!!! My only concern is where to get a full, complete natal chart including all 13 signs of the zodiac... Can anyone help me out ASAP?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Thanks so much!!!
pagan
Ivan April 9, 2007, 7:47 am Im a college student and I have developed an interest in astrology. My birthday is dec 1st and like many others, I do not feel any connection with sagitarius nor its horoscope or its symbol. We have no horoscope, but maybe this looks like evidence that astrolgy is only in its infancy, a sign that astrology needs to evolve. Its up to us ophiuchians to find out about about this sign an how it describes ourselves. I found this site to be the most accurate, for me at least since I can relate to those traits alot. Maybe you can. Email me about it or anything else, -------@-----------com. Hope we can use it as some form of guide. http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html i concur with that site it explains alot and you are infact a Ophiuchus some years because it sometimes starts on the 1st of december till the 18th or from Nov 30 - Dec 17 i have done alot of research :) there is actually more then 13 star signs :) goldilocks April 4, 2007, 1:25 pm Well, this certainly puts a spanner in the works! If popular astrology used the actual constellations to mark out where a sign began and ended all of our natal charts would be radically different! All the neat little rules about the 360 degrees divided into 12 equal signs which correspond to the houses (bla bla bla) would become void! About nine in ten people would belong in a different sign to what they actually thought. Thats most of us!!! So let me pose a question... If astrologers claim that astrology is based on observation, how could have they possibly missed this? And if the current 12 equal sign system is correct then WHAT IS A SIGN? Why do we need the stars at all?? Ive been studying my natal chart for years and have grown comfortable in its themes. Now, according to what is actually in the sky, it is sooo different.Makes me wonder, if i tried this new identity on would it fit just as well? I was such a believer, but now I really have to ask, what do they really base astrology on??? constelations sweaty and they discoverd them many of years ago
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Kristin A Ashcom March 14, 2007, 9:24 pm I too feel cheated to have just found out about this 13th sign. I found out about this sing just a few days ago. My birthday is Dec. 1. Where can I can find the traits and chacteristics of my new sun sing, Ophiuchus? Can you recommend any astrology sites that use this 13th sign. I REALLY want to know and have anew natal chart done. I too have recently been drawn to snake jewelry and aquired several pieces a few months ago, never been interested in snake designed jewelry before. Coincidence or fate? Now I find out I'm an Ophiuchusian. Please, please reply to: ---------- Thank you someone for a reply and some direction. Krisi your fascination with snakes is one i have aswell i have a tattoo of two snakes entwined up my back fate is what i believe i have had many thinks to conclude that it cant be co incidence and in this site it has as much information that i could find on the net about Ophiuchus http://astrolife.netfirms.com/scorpio&ophiuchus.htm and you people have to remember that the universe is changing in our perspection every day and will do so till the day it ends which opens our eyes to gain knowledge and learn and change with it i hope that made sence :)
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hello person who just posted September 23rd. I have the same birthday as you. :) Don't feel cheated- It was only ever up to you to allow a sign to define you- I always felt Sag, felt too hot- too masculine. Then I learned scorpio was the sidereal sign and it felt much cooler- Much better-Ophiucus too is supposedly water- according to a link I'll give. A good way of finding out what you sign means- What you really looking for is what you already know, about yourself.- Like if you read a trait that didn't fit you- you'd ignore it- So why don't you skip the looking to find it written part and just make a list of the traits that if you saw them written, you would feel aligned to. Because really everyone is a unique energy, a unique mix, what your looking for is to find yourself-written-but only you can really know it- if you trust yourself to look. Astrology does work- It's good at telling you energies, like earth, water, air and fire- Earth peope can be stiff and serious, fire people warm and fiery, Air people, light and intelectual and water people deep and emotional. Don't be compulsive, ha how funny I feel similiar to you- Let's decide now that Ophiucans can be a tad bit compulsive and obsessive :) No offense I can just picture myself nervously searching for sites like you. How interesting that in history it was hidden for awhile, and then ophiucus the cleanser, the healer wakes up in the times we live in. :) Here are some links: http://www.graveworm.com/occult/precess/ophiuchus.html http://theabysmal.wordpress.com/2006/07/16/13-months-13-constellations-rebalancing-libra-the-elements/ http://www.gulfnexus.org/index_files/Ophiuchus.htm <3-Amanda
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sorry my last posts were quotes of people looks like i wrote that this was my response to Krisi your fascination with snakes is one i have aswell i have a tattoo of two snakes entwined up my back fate is what i believe i have had many thinks to conclude that it cant be co incidence and in this site it has as much information that i could find on the net about Ophiuchus http://astrolife.netfirms.com/scorpio&amp;ophiuchus.htm and you people have to remember that the universe is changing in our perspection every day and will do so till the day it ends which opens our eyes to gain knowledge and learn and change with it i hope that made sence :) and Ivan April 9, 2007, 7:47 am constelations sweaty and they discoverd them many of years ago hello amanda i will check your site out this site i found was really helpfull :) Ophiuchus http://astrolife.netfirms.com/scorpio&amp;ophiuchus.htm
actual astrologerSaturday, 24th June 2017 5:42:27 AM
There are only 12 zodiac signs and will always be only 12 zodiac signs, this isn't my opinion but a fact. The zodiac is NOT THE SAME as the constellations and were never really confused by astrologers (who also knew of precession). There are a huge number of constellations that are excluded from the zodiac, from Eriandus the river to the Greater bear, the southern cross, ect, ect. Zodiac signs are used to measure the path of the Sun relative to the earth and the changes of light after the Equinox. Constellations add depth to the horoscopes via the individual fixed stars within those constellations and are also used with considering of the Moon and it's light (see mansions of the moon, Nakshatras) So, while Ophiucus is not a zodiac sign it's stars are still important feature of the part of the sky that includes the Scales of Libra and Scorpio. Fear not Ophiucus lovers, it's there! -it's just not part of the Zodiac. The reason why so many people say they don't match their "sun sign" is because sun sign astrology is a gimmick invented to sell newspapers in the 20s. Like the "13th sign" it's not REAL astrology.